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From: "Ali Sina" <afreethinker@hotmail.com> [Save Address] [Block Sender]
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From: "Usman Malik" <islami@consultant.com>
To: afreethinker@hotmail.com
Subject: Thanks for the link but.....
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:47:28 +0500
Dear Usman.

Thank you for reading that article. What Religion to Chose? Now I can write
a letter answering your questions without referring you to another article
because your questions are new. :-)

You wrote, “First I took you as my solution, but now I am so confused that I
don't know what to even say....”

The whole purpose of my writing is to make people think on their own and do
not follow another person as their solutions, guru, imam, prophets or
marja’e taqleed. If someone after going through all my writings decides that
I am intelligent and sharp to the extent that he can trust whatever I write,
follow me or look unto me as his solution, then I have failed.

The whole idea behind this exercise is to stimulate people to become
freethinkers. Freethinkers are independent thinkers. Freethinkers listen to
the words said but not to the person who says it. If a person according to
you is right in almost everything; that does not mean that he is right in
ALL things. My message is: Do not follow another person, become a skeptic
and accept only what makes sense to YOU. Re-analyze everything that you were
taught as a child and believed to be true. You believed those things because
you trusted the medium. That medium that could have been your own loving
parent could have been honestly wrong. People do not teach their kids,
falsehood deliberately. They educate them to the best of their ability, yet
since they themselves are misinformed, they pass that misinformation to
their children and perpetuate the cycle of ignorance. Thus we have the
children of the Jews becoming Jews, the children of the Christians becoming
Christians and the children of the Muslims turning Muslims, and so on so
forth.

My hope is that after reading my writings people start to doubt everything
and find their own lights. Please read the words of Krishnaurti 'Truth is a
pathless land' once more.


Now as for your question about God:
Actually I did not say I do not believe in any God. In the same article that
you read (What Religion to Follow) I wrote:

“I do not discard the Divine reality. Just like Galileo who did not reject
the Earth but people’s understanding of it, I do not reject God but people’s
understanding of it”.

In other words, I do believe in the spiritual reality underlying this
universe. I call that the Single Principle. But I cannot believe in the
absurd notion of the deity invented by the primitive man and now passed to
us by their primitive religions. Those religions do not answer the
intellectual quest of the modern wo/man and their god is outdated and
rationally untenable. So when I talk about feeling God, I am not talking
about Allah or Yahweh. These are figments of human imagination in the early
stages of its maturity. They have no place in our modern world. They are
stupid gods that cannot stand the test of reason. The Single Principle
underlying the creation, that eternal spiritual reality permeating every
atom of this universe is not what our prehistoric ancestors invented and a
bunch of charlatans calling themselves prophets have echoed and perpetuated.

It is not true that religions were the first to introduce the concept of God
to humankind. The notion of God is evolved with the intellectual capacity of
human brain. People believed in spirits and assumed that behind every
natural phenomenon there is a deity that makes it happen. There was a god
for thunders, a god for winds, a god for fertility and a god for creation, a
god for death and a god for birth. Gods were abounding and they were all the
products of human’s imagination.

People prayed to these gods and offered sacrifices in their altars. They
sought their protection and invoked them in their wars. Shamans and medicine
men came along and took advantage of the credulity of people. They posed as
the mediums between men and gods and robbed them with their lies.

To enforce their hegemony over the people they claimed to be the prophets
and messengers of these gods and demanded absolute obedience and payment of
money in exchange for salvation. No one could see these gods but them and
they were the vicegerents of these deities. Of course rivalry arouse between
the prophets, each claiming that their gods is superior and more powerful. A
contest of power is reported between Elijah the self acclaimed prophet of
Yahweh and the followers of Baal in a very naïf tale in the Bible. In this
story Elijah challenges the power of Baal by asking his followers to bring a
bull, place it on the altar and ask the Baal to set it to fire. The
followers of Baal pray all day and nothing happens. But when Elijah prays to
Yahweh (Lord), the bull is immediately consumed in fire. Then Elijah having
proved the superiority of Yahweh over Baal, orders the execution of Baal’s
followers. (Which makes one wonder why Yahweh himself who was so powerful
did not kill them?) This story is narrated in 1Kings 18: 21-40.

Naturally, no rational person can believe in the accuracy of such an absurd
tale. If it was so easy to prove the existence of God, then I challenge, the
Jews, the Christians and the Muslims to invoke their god and ask him to
perform the same miracle in front of TV cameras, (without any tricks) to
settle this controversy about his existence once and for all. With the
promise that if they end up making fools of themselves at the end of the
day, like the followers of the Baal in the above narrative and their god
does not respond, their lives will be spared, thanks to our Universal
Declaration of Human Rights that allows people the freedom to believe even
in false and impotent gods like Yahweh and Allah.

In the old days there were many gods. All these gods had prophets,
intermediaries and messengers. This was then, as is now, a very lucrative
and enticing business. It gave the prophets immense prestige and a lot of
power. In the above story it is said that Baal had 450 prophets.

Then Elijah said to them, "I am the only prophet of the LORD [Yahweh] who is
left, but Baal has 450 prophets. 1Ki 18:22

In those days people prayed to several gods. At first there was little
religious hostility between them. They simply prayed to each other’s gods,
just in case, and if their prayers were answered, they attributed it to the
power of that god and promoted him amongst their own people. However, the
prophets and the priests of these gods were not happy of such an
arrangement. They wanted control over people. If they believed in other gods
then they would also take their offerings and sacrifices to those gods. This
would have damaged their [the prophet’s and priests] business and meant lost
of income. So it was imperative to dissuade people of praying to other gods.
Thus we hear such harsh condemnations like the following.

Again the Israelites did evil in the LORD's sight. They worshiped images of
Baal and Ashtoreth, and the gods of Aram, Sidon, Moab, Ammon, and Philistia.
Not only this, but they abandoned the LORD [Yahweh] and no longer served him
at all. Jud 10:6

Actually even the famous biblical figure Solomon, (whom Muhammad called his
“brother” in the episode when he said that he had caught the Satan wanting
to tie him down to a post and Solomon prevented him), “worshiped Ashtoreth,
the goddess of the Sidonians; Chemosh, the god of Moab; and Molech, the god
of the Ammonites” 1Ki 11:33 and 1Ki 11:5 Solomon even built shrines for
these gods. 2Ki 23:13

In fact it was not just Solomon, but most of the Israeli’s believed in a
pantheon of Gods as is clear from this King Samuel rebuking of the Jews. .

Then Samuel said to all the people of Israel, "If you are really serious
about wanting to return to the LORD [Yahweh] , get rid of your foreign gods
and your images of Ashtoreth. Determine to obey only the LORD; then he will
rescue you from the Philistines." 1Sa 7:3

More confirmation that the Israelites were worshipping other gods can be
found in the following verses.

They abandoned the LORD to serve Baal and the images of Ashtoreth. Jud 2:13

Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the
LORD's anger to blaze against his people. Nu 25:3 -

See also. Nu 25:5 , 1Sa 7:4 and ' 1Sa 12:10

One wonders if these gods really did not exist, what is the big fuss. Why
should Yahweh and his priests and functionaries be so jealous of gods that
really do not have any existence? The answer is that the authors of the
Bible really believed that other gods do exists, but they did not want the
Israelis to worship them for several reasons.

If Israelis believed in other gods than Yahweh, (the gods of other nations)
they would feel friendly with their neighboring nations, associate with them
in amity, marry amongst each other and the rulers will not be able to secure
the integrity of the Israeli nation. To have a sense of nationality, you
have to have something that binds you with other members of your nation,
something unique that is not shared by other neighboring tribes. Israelites
were a small nation among many other nations clustered in a small area.
Intermixing and intermingling was inevitable. A common religion, unique to
the Israelis would have given them a common cause and a sense of belonging.
The kings needed an excuse to secure the allegiance of the nation and
instill in them the hatred of the enemy. The religion with a different god
would have provided such an excuse. A god that was superior to the gods of
their neighbors; a god that was mightier than all other gods and above all a
god that was jealous and vengeful that would not tolerate betrayal.

The priests also liked the idea of a single god. So when the nation of
Israel was released from the bondage of Nabuchadnezar and by the leave of
Cyrus returned to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple and worship their own
god, (Ezra 1) the priests of that time; Jeremiah, Ezra and two unknown
priests named by biblical scholars as J and E, (not necessarily contemporary
to each other) regrouped the Israelis that were split in two separate
nations, Judah and Israel, each having a different country, a different king
and a different deity, into one nation. They blended their bibles (religious
lore) and amalgamated their gods, El and Yahweh [Lord], into one single god.
They instigated in the people the hatred of other gods and claimed their
sufferings; exiles and captivities were caused because Jews had forsaken the
Jewish god El/Yahweh, (now posing as a single god). And as Samuel promised
them, if they returned to Yahweh they would be victorious over the
Philistienes. 1Sa 7:3

This story obviously makes little sense. Why should god be the god of the
Jews and not of the Philisteienes? But it made perfect sense to those living
in 700 BC. For them, there were many gods and each nation had its own
patron. Yahweh was the god of the Jews and other nations had their own gods.
This is clear from the Psalms 82 where Yahweh has a conversation with other
gods rebuking them for their ineptitude and lack of concern for their
subjects. In this assembly of gods Yahweh admonished his colleagues and
reprimands them for not being good gods. In fact he reminds them to he the
sons of the Almighty, which makes us believe that Yahweh himself is not the
supergod but still there is one superior to him and other gods.

Naturally Jews wanted to think that their god is the best. He had to be the
most powerful of all gods. But not that they denied the existence of other
gods! That is the whole reason for which Yahweh is so jealous. You cannot be
jealous of something that does not exist.

Amazingly even Jesus believed that other nations have their own separate
gods. The concept of monotheism was evolved gradually and perhaps the over
zealot Christian missioner Paul the apostle is to be credited for it, though
he must have done it unwittingly. It was he who compromised his faith to
sell his religion to the West. I have explained this subject in my article
The Evolution of Monotheism.

Interestingly Even Muhammad had the slip of the tongue when one day next to
Ka’ba while discussing religious matters with some prominent men of Quraish
reveled this verse:

And see ye not LAT and OZZA,
And MANAT the third besides?
These are the exalted Females,
And verily their Intercession is to be hoped for.

This story is reported by both Katib al Waqidi p. 89; and Tabari, p. 140.

This open concession and the acceptance of Lat Ozza and Mnat, surprised and
pleased the Quraish who unanimously bowed in prostration when Muhammad ended
his speech with these words: “Wherefore bow down before God, and serve Him.”

Quraish were happy for this concession and wowed to end hostility.

Some narrators say that on the very night of that day, Gabriel had appeared
to Muhammad and said: “What is this that thou hast done? thou hast repeated
before the people words that I never gave unto thee.” (Muir p. 151) And
Muhammad realizing that these verses were put into his mouth by Satan, he
retracted from what he said, disowned the whole proceeding, and called those
verses “Satanic Verses”.

However, the fact that the tidings of the reconciliation between the Muslims
and the Quraish reached Abyssinia and many of the immigrants returned to
Mecca makes us deduce that Gabriel did not appear to Muhammad on the same
night and this state of peace between the Quraish and the followers of
Muhammad went on for a while. Until Muhammad realized that by accepting the
three goddesses, the daughters of Allah, he is shooting in his own foot and
making superfluous his own raison de etre. So he claimed that Satan put
those words into his mouth and the real verse as revealed by Allah should
have been:

“And see ye not LAT and OZZA,
And MANAT the third beside?
What! Shall there be male progeny unto you, and female unto him?
That were indeed an unjust partition!
They are naught but names, which ye and your, Fathers have invented, &c.”
(Q.53: 20-22)

These verses were not only more in line with the misogynist nature of the
prophet, but also reaffirmed himself as the sole intermediary between Allah
and man.

In conclusion the concept of God did not descend from religions. Both
religion and god are the inventions of man. They both evolved as human
intellect kept growing. But today we have advanced to a stage that we no
more can accept those antiquated and unverifiable dogmas of our forefathers.
We can easily and logically disprove the existence of the god given to us by
our ancestors and then enforced by the religions but there is not a shred of
evidence that can prove the existence of such deity. (For further
explanation on this subject please refer to several articles in the chapter
dedicated to God. This is a subject that I have talked about extensively and
I am not going to repeat. I invite you to read them and then express your
disagreements if any. Thank you).
http://free.freespeech.org/rationalthinking/on%20god.htm


As for your question why do I say “feeling God” when I already said that I
don't believe on one? You may find my answer also in the articles clustered
under the heading God, especially in “The Life Beyond and the Single
Principle” http://free.freespeech.org/rationalthinking/life_beyond.htm

Thank you for the question I am going to post this as a separate article and
when someone else ask me the same question I will just refer him or her to
it.

Have a great day.

Ali

Hi,
Mr Ali, after reading the article, I have got more confused then ever
before. First I took you as my solution, but now I am so confused that I
don't know what to even say.... Ali, at the end of the article you said,
that their is nothing in religion and you will feel "God" when you work for
humanity. Right??Now first of all why do you say about feeling God when you
previously said you don't believe on one? Also everything we know today
about "God" has all transfered through some religion, without them (I
consider a religion as Philosophy, and which can be sometime just built on
illusions) we don't even have a clue about the God, God's presence, creation
etc....
I hope you understand what I mean, this is just too much confusing to
even write...
Malik Usman


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From: "Usman Malik" <islami@consultant.com> [Save Address] [Block Sender]
To: afreethinker@hotmail.com
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Subject: got it...
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:02:04 +0500
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Dear Mr. Ali
I have just got your article. I would like to have some time reading it. Please accept my apologies if i don't get into contact with you. I will contact you as soon as I finish reading this. By the way I am thankful for your support and time.
Malik Usman


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ali Sina" <afreethinker@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:12:08
To: islami@consultant.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for the link but.....


>
>
>
> From: "Usman Malik" <islami@consultant.com>
> To: afreethinker@hotmail.com
> Subject: Thanks for the link but.....
> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:47:28 +0500
> Dear Usman.
>
> Thank you for reading that article. What Religion to Chose? Now I can write
> a letter answering your questions without referring you to another article
> because your questions are new. :-)
>
> You wrote, “First I took you as my solution, but now I am so confused that I
> don't know what to even say....”
>
> The whole purpose of my writing is to make people think on their own and do
> not follow another person as their solutions, guru, imam, prophets or
> marja’e taqleed. If someone after going through all my writings decides that
> I am intelligent and sharp to the extent that he can trust whatever I write,
> follow me or look unto me as his solution, then I have failed.
>
> The whole idea behind this exercise is to stimulate people to become
> freethinkers. Freethinkers are independent thinkers. Freethinkers listen to
> the words said but not to the person who says it. If a person according to
> you is right in almost everything; that does not mean that he is right in
> ALL things. My message is: Do not follow another person, become a skeptic
> and accept only what makes sense to YOU. Re-analyze everything that you were
> taught as a child and believed to be true. You believed those things because
> you trusted the medium. That medium that could have been your own loving
> parent could have been honestly wrong. People do not teach their kids,
> falsehood deliberately. They educate them to the best of their ability, yet
> since they themselves are misinformed, they pass that misinformation to
> their children and perpetuate the cycle of ignorance. Thus we have the
> children of the Jews becoming Jews, the children of the Christians becoming
> Christians and the children of the Muslims turning Muslims, and so on so
> forth.
>
> My hope is that after reading my writings people start to doubt everything
> and find their own lights. Please read the words of Krishnaurti 'Truth is a
> pathless land' once more.
>
>
> Now as for your question about God:
> Actually I did not say I do not believe in any God. In the same article that
> you read (What Religion to Follow) I wrote:
>
> “I do not discard the Divine reality. Just like Galileo who did not reject
> the Earth but people’s understanding of it, I do not reject God but people’s
> understanding of it”.
>
> In other words, I do believe in the spiritual reality underlying this
> universe. I call that the Single Principle. But I cannot believe in the
> absurd notion of the deity invented by the primitive man and now passed to
> us by their primitive religions. Those religions do not answer the
> intellectual quest of the modern wo/man and their god is outdated and
> rationally untenable. So when I talk about feeling God, I am not talking
> about Allah or Yahweh. These are figments of human imagination in the early
> stages of its maturity. They have no place in our modern world. They are
> stupid gods that cannot stand the test of reason. The Single Principle
> underlying the creation, that eternal spiritual reality permeating every
> atom of this universe is not what our prehistoric ancestors invented and a
> bunch of charlatans calling themselves prophets have echoed and perpetuated.
>
> It is not true that religions were the first to introduce the concept of God
> to humankind. The notion of God is evolved with the intellectual capacity of
> human brain. People believed in spirits and assumed that behind every
> natural phenomenon there is a deity that makes it happen. There was a god
> for thunders, a god for winds, a god for fertility and a god for creation, a
> god for death and a god for birth. Gods were abounding and they were all the
> products of human’s imagination.
>
> People prayed to these gods and offered sacrifices in their altars. They
> sought their protection and invoked them in their wars. Shamans and medicine
> men came along and took advantage of the credulity of people. They posed as
> the mediums between men and gods and robbed them with their lies.
>
> To enforce their hegemony over the people they claimed to be the prophets
> and messengers of these gods and demanded absolute obedience and payment of
> money in exchange for salvation. No one could see these gods but them and
> they were the vicegerents of these deities. Of course rivalry arouse between
> the prophets, each claiming that their gods is superior and more powerful. A
> contest of power is reported between Elijah the self acclaimed prophet of
> Yahweh and the followers of Baal in a very naïf tale in the Bible. In this
> story Elijah challenges the power of Baal by asking his followers to bring a
> bull, place it on the altar and ask the Baal to set it to fire. The
> followers of Baal pray all day and nothing happens. But when Elijah prays to
> Yahweh (Lord), the bull is immediately consumed in fire. Then Elijah having
> proved the superiority of Yahweh over Baal, orders the execution of Baal’s
> followers. (Which makes one wonder why Yahweh himself who was so powerful
> did not kill them?) This story is narrated in 1Kings 18: 21-40.
>
> Naturally, no rational person can believe in the accuracy of such an absurd
> tale. If it was so easy to prove the existence of God, then I challenge, the
> Jews, the Christians and the Muslims to invoke their god and ask him to
> perform the same miracle in front of TV cameras, (without any tricks) to
> settle this controversy about his existence once and for all. With the
> promise that if they end up making fools of themselves at the end of the
> day, like the followers of the Baal in the above narrative and their god
> does not respond, their lives will be spared, thanks to our Universal
> Declaration of Human Rights that allows people the freedom to believe even
> in false and impotent gods like Yahweh and Allah.
>
> In the old days there were many gods. All these gods had prophets,
> intermediaries and messengers. This was then, as is now, a very lucrative
> and enticing business. It gave the prophets immense prestige and a lot of
> power. In the above story it is said that Baal had 450 prophets.
>
> Then Elijah said to them, "I am the only prophet of the LORD [Yahweh] who is
> left, but Baal has 450 prophets. 1Ki 18:22
>
> In those days people prayed to several gods. At first there was little
> religious hostility between them. They simply prayed to each other’s gods,
> just in case, and if their prayers were answered, they attributed it to the
> power of that god and promoted him amongst their own people. However, the
> prophets and the priests of these gods were not happy of such an
> arrangement. They wanted control over people. If they believed in other gods
> then they would also take their offerings and sacrifices to those gods. This
> would have damaged their [the prophet’s and priests] business and meant lost
> of income. So it was imperative to dissuade people of praying to other gods.
> Thus we hear such harsh condemnations like the following.
>
> Again the Israelites did evil in the LORD's sight. They worshiped images of
> Baal and Ashtoreth, and the gods of Aram, Sidon, Moab, Ammon, and Philistia.
> Not only this, but they abandoned the LORD [Yahweh] and no longer served him
> at all. Jud 10:6
>
> Actually even the famous biblical figure Solomon, (whom Muhammad called his
> “brother” in the episode when he said that he had caught the Satan wanting
> to tie him down to a post and Solomon prevented him), “worshiped Ashtoreth,
> the goddess of the Sidonians; Chemosh, the god of Moab; and Molech, the god
> of the Ammonites” 1Ki 11:33 and 1Ki 11:5 Solomon even built shrines for
> these gods. 2Ki 23:13
>
> In fact it was not just Solomon, but most of the Israeli’s believed in a
> pantheon of Gods as is clear from this King Samuel rebuking of the Jews. .
>
> Then Samuel said to all the people of Israel, "If you are really serious
> about wanting to return to the LORD [Yahweh] , get rid of your foreign gods
> and your images of Ashtoreth. Determine to obey only the LORD; then he will
> rescue you from the Philistines." 1Sa 7:3
>
> More confirmation that the Israelites were worshipping other gods can be
> found in the following verses.
>
> They abandoned the LORD to serve Baal and the images of Ashtoreth. Jud 2:13
>
> Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the
> LORD's anger to blaze against his people. Nu 25:3 -
>
> See also. Nu 25:5 , 1Sa 7:4 and ' 1Sa 12:10
>
> One wonders if these gods really did not exist, what is the big fuss. Why
> should Yahweh and his priests and functionaries be so jealous of gods that
> really do not have any existence? The answer is that the authors of the
> Bible really believed that other gods do exists, but they did not want the
> Israelis to worship them for several reasons.
>
> If Israelis believed in other gods than Yahweh, (the gods of other nations)
> they would feel friendly with their neighboring nations, associate with them
> in amity, marry amongst each other and the rulers will not be able to secure
> the integrity of the Israeli nation. To have a sense of nationality, you
> have to have something that binds you with other members of your nation,
> something unique that is not shared by other neighboring tribes. Israelites
> were a small nation among many other nations clustered in a small area.
> Intermixing and intermingling was inevitable. A common religion, unique to
> the Israelis would have given them a common cause and a sense of belonging.
> The kings needed an excuse to secure the allegiance of the nation and
> instill in them the hatred of the enemy. The religion with a different god
> would have provided such an excuse. A god that was superior to the gods of
> their neighbors; a god that was mightier than all other gods and above all a
> god that was jealous and vengeful that would not tolerate betrayal.
>
> The priests also liked the idea of a single god. So when the nation of
> Israel was released from the bondage of Nabuchadnezar and by the leave of
> Cyrus returned to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple and worship their own
> god, (Ezra 1) the priests of that time; Jeremiah, Ezra and two unknown
> priests named by biblical scholars as J and E, (not necessarily contemporary
> to each other) regrouped the Israelis that were split in two separate
> nations, Judah and Israel, each having a different country, a different king
> and a different deity, into one nation. They blended their bibles (religious
> lore) and amalgamated their gods, El and Yahweh [Lord], into one single god.
> They instigated in the people the hatred of other gods and claimed their
> sufferings; exiles and captivities were caused because Jews had forsaken the
> Jewish god El/Yahweh, (now posing as a single god). And as Samuel promised
> them, if they returned to Yahweh they would be victorious over the
> Philistienes. 1Sa 7:3
>
> This story obviously makes little sense. Why should god be the god of the
> Jews and not of the Philisteienes? But it made perfect sense to those living
> in 700 BC. For them, there were many gods and each nation had its own
> patron. Yahweh was the god of the Jews and other nations had their own gods.
> This is clear from the Psalms 82 where Yahweh has a conversation with other
> gods rebuking them for their ineptitude and lack of concern for their
> subjects. In this assembly of gods Yahweh admonished his colleagues and
> reprimands them for not being good gods. In fact he reminds them to he the
> sons of the Almighty, which makes us believe that Yahweh himself is not the
> supergod but still there is one superior to him and other gods.
>
> Naturally Jews wanted to think that their god is the best. He had to be the
> most powerful of all gods. But not that they denied the existence of other
> gods! That is the whole reason for which Yahweh is so jealous. You cannot be
> jealous of something that does not exist.
>
> Amazingly even Jesus believed that other nations have their own separate
> gods. The concept of monotheism was evolved gradually and perhaps the over
> zealot Christian missioner Paul the apostle is to be credited for it, though
> he must have done it unwittingly. It was he who compromised his faith to
> sell his religion to the West. I have explained this subject in my article
> The Evolution of Monotheism.
>
> Interestingly Even Muhammad had the slip of the tongue when one day next to
> Ka’ba while discussing religious matters with some prominent men of Quraish
> reveled this verse:
>
> And see ye not LAT and OZZA,
> And MANAT the third besides?
> These are the exalted Females,
> And verily their Intercession is to be hoped for.
>
> This story is reported by both Katib al Waqidi p. 89; and Tabari, p. 140.
>
> This open concession and the acceptance of Lat Ozza and Mnat, surprised and
> pleased the Quraish who unanimously bowed in prostration when Muhammad ended
> his speech with these words: “Wherefore bow down before God, and serve Him.”
>
> Quraish were happy for this concession and wowed to end hostility.
>
> Some narrators say that on the very night of that day, Gabriel had appeared
> to Muhammad and said: “What is this that thou hast done? thou hast repeated
> before the people words that I never gave unto thee.” (Muir p. 151) And
> Muhammad realizing that these verses were put into his mouth by Satan, he
> retracted from what he said, disowned the whole proceeding, and called those
> verses “Satanic Verses”.
>
> However, the fact that the tidings of the reconciliation between the Muslims
> and the Quraish reached Abyssinia and many of the immigrants returned to
> Mecca makes us deduce that Gabriel did not appear to Muhammad on the same
> night and this state of peace between the Quraish and the followers of
> Muhammad went on for a while. Until Muhammad realized that by accepting the
> three goddesses, the daughters of Allah, he is shooting in his own foot and
> making superfluous his own raison de etre. So he claimed that Satan put
> those words into his mouth and the real verse as revealed by Allah should
> have been:
>
> “And see ye not LAT and OZZA,
> And MANAT the third beside?
> What! Shall there be male progeny unto you, and female unto him?
> That were indeed an unjust partition!
> They are naught but names, which ye and your, Fathers have invented, &c.”
> (Q.53: 20-22)
>
> These verses were not only more in line with the misogynist nature of the
> prophet, but also reaffirmed himself as the sole intermediary between Allah
> and man.
>
> In conclusion the concept of God did not descend from religions. Both
> religion and god are the inventions of man. They both evolved as human
> intellect kept growing. But today we have advanced to a stage that we no
> more can accept those antiquated and unverifiable dogmas of our forefathers.
> We can easily and logically disprove the existence of the god given to us by
> our ancestors and then enforced by the religions but there is not a shred of
> evidence that can prove the existence of such deity. (For further
> explanation on this subject please refer to several articles in the chapter
> dedicated to God. This is a subject that I have talked about extensively and
> I am not going to repeat. I invite you to read them and then express your
> disagreements if any. Thank you).
> http://free.freespeech.org/rationalthinking/on%20god.htm
>
>
> As for your question why do I say “feeling God” when I already said that I
> don't believe on one? You may find my answer also in the articles clustered
> under the heading God, especially in “The Life Beyond and the Single
> Principle” http://free.freespeech.org/rationalthinking/life_beyond.htm
>
> Thank you for the question I am going to post this as a separate article and
> when someone else ask me the same question I will just refer him or her to
> it.
>
> Have a great day.
>
> Ali
>
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